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Snowflake Challenge, Day 6: A Fannish Wish List

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"About as much fun as a bag of weasels"...when I first saw this Irish adage, it made me think of the life of a writer: sometimes perilous, sometimes painful, certainly interesting. My paper journal has always been called "The Bag of Weasels." This is the Bag of Weasels' online home.

Snowflake Challenge, Day 6: A Fannish Wish List

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Today's Fandom Snowflake challenge is to make a fandom wish list. I have skipped Day 5, not because I'm not doing it but because I'm reading a lot of stuff that has been posted recently in an attempt to create a rec list that includes both friends and writers new to me.

Here is today's challenge:

In your own space, create a list of at least three fannish things you'd love to receive, something you've wanted but were afraid to ask for - a fannish wish-list of sorts. Leave a comment in this post saying you did it. Include a link to your wish-list if you feel comfortable doing so. Maybe someone will grant a wish. Check out other people's posts. Maybe you will grant a wish. If any wishes are granted, we'd love it if you link them to this post.


Wish lists are hard for me because I'm very well treated in fandom in terms of feedback on my work, in the form of comments, recs, and people wanting to do stuff with my stories like draw or translate them. So to ask for more of those things when I already feel like I'm treated so well seems greedy and wrong.

So once again I have to think outside the box a little.

I'd like people who write Silmfic to post it on the SWG and to comment on stories there. Here are the twenty-five most recent stories posted on the SWG. Go comment on one of them! I haven't read them all, but some are superb! There are a dozen different authors represented there and stories about all aspects of the canon.

If you don't write Silmfic? Post to another Tolkien-specific archive and comment there every now and then. Here's a list. I don't know why I have such a sense of urgency about this now, but I do. Perhaps it was the demise of the MEFAs and HASA, one right after the other: those inviolable giants from my early fandom days.

Be brave once this year (it doesn't have to be right now) and say hi to someone new or tell someone whose work you've admired from afar how much you appreciate what they do.

And finally--a little more fun, perhaps--roll a prompt with at least four elements on the Random Silmfic Prompt Generator and either write that prompt or post it here and I will write it (or both).



This post was originally posted on Dreamwidth and, using my Felagundish Elf magic, crossposted to LiveJournal. You can comment here or there!

http://dawn-felagund.dreamwidth.org/403103.html
  • Tangentiality related, this is the reminder I need to update that list. (I know there's at least one link that I need to change.) Thank you!
  • That is a great idea, although I would argue that good stories can never receive too many comments or inspire too much artwork. Look at Shakespeare. Well, not saying you are Shakespeare, but you are pretty good!

    On the other, every work of fanfiction needs to be supported and our home site should not be forgotten because a whole lot of Silmarillion writers do not post there. (We should encourage them to do so!)
    • I would argue that good stories can never receive too many comments

      I agree, and I'm not trying to turn away comments on my work. I LOVE comments on my work. I still get a little thrill whenever I see I have a new comment.

      But through the years, I have known people who have lost interest in fandom or stopped posting because they didn't get comments and assumed that this meant that no one liked their work. In many cases, these people were brilliant writers. I have no idea why they weren't getting comments--they deserved them!--except that fandom has always struggled with the concept of rewarding and thanking the creators one likes by commenting on their work.

      If someone skips reading or commenting on a story of mine to instead read or comment on a writer whose comment count is low but whose work is good ... potentially saving that writer, letting them know that their work is appreciated, is worth the personal loss to me.

      (We should encourage them to do so!)

      I wish I knew how! I'm open to ideas. I'm hoping the new challenges might help, both in bringing authors to the site and increasing feedback on what's posted there. Over the years, I've tried to avoid directly asking people to post with us. That seems like it crosses a boundary to me (and people have all kinds of reasons for not supporting a particular archive, and I don't want them to feel like they have to have either a difficult conversation with me or make a choice they're not comfortable with to avoid hurting my feelings). I've always believed I shouldn't use my social standing in fandom to promote the SWG but rather to build a site that's good enough that people want to post there. Unfortunately, I'm now competing with AO3, which outstrips me in every resource imaginable except the fact that the SWG always will serve Tolkien fans foremost, while AO3 has demonstrated they will not. But that doesn't seem to matter to people as much as other things AO3 (with their greater access to resources) can offer.

      I'm also hoping that switching to a CMS--i.e., modernizing how the site functions--will help. Some of what people like about AO3 that I can't do in eFiction I will be able to do in Drupal. I'm hoping I can figure out what I need to figure out to do this within the next year.
      • I'm hoping the new challenges might help, both in bringing authors to the site and increasing feedback on what's posted there.

        I suspected that was part of the idea. Kind of like some of the more terrifyingly successful B2MeM schemes. Well, I won't go away despite for my dislike for writing as competition.

        Over the years, I've tried to avoid directly asking people to post with us.

        Actually, I have explicitly asked. I admit to going after people! I say, "I put my work on a quality site that is for Silmarillion work and I'd love to see yours there." Admittedly in the past year or two I have done much less of that because I have had so little "social standing" or visibility as a writer of fiction.

        've always believed I shouldn't use my social standing in fandom to promote the SWG but rather to build a site that's good enough that people want to post there.

        I disagree with the first part of that statement and I do not think it should be an either or, i.e., I can pimp it or try to make it appealing, but somehow it's not fair to do both. But the Las Vegas thing with the challenges is OK?

        AO3 has a totally different purpose and I really support it. It's not perfect, nothing is, but it certainly tops ff.net as an umbrella site and does other good things for fanworks. I hope it grows and prospers as a backup for everyone and a primary site for all the myriad of rare fandoms not big enough to survive on their own.
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  • I did try to fulfil one of your wishes - I was going to join SWG so I could post my couple of Silmfics but after six tries at convincing it I am not a robot I am giving up.
  • I rolled a prompt.
    Quote: 'I'm telling you stories. Trust me.' -Jeanette Winterson, 'The Passion'
    Character Groups: Men of Brethil
    Popular Character: Lalwen
    Rare Character: Draugluin

    Hmm.
    Can you make anything of that?
  • I actually took down my stuff at SWG - not because I don't like the archive, but because I'd edited it on AO3 and Faerie and just forgot to do it on SWG. It felt like such a Herculean task that I thought, blow it, I'll just take it off and repost - copy-paste from AO3 or something.

    The thing that bothers me is there's such a lot of it, and I don't like splitting the series up into 'this happened in the First/Second Age, so I'll post it here, but that next story is set in the Third Age or after so I can't post it but I'll link to it' because it is a series, even if it covers a lot of ground into the Third Age and beyond. The majority (not all) of the characters were born prior to or in the First Age. I am just not sure it fits, or if people would come after me saying 'I don't think this belongs on SWG'.

    I do have some purely Silm stuff I could post, but it's old; if it adds ballast all well and good, but it's nothing new.
    • I don't think it is a matter of ballast! Some of the older standalone stories of yours were the first I read and I adored them (and we all have our favorite places to read! I'm a lazy person--tried for years but finally decided that I am no good at juggling many more than two sites). But I like the idea of the SWG being able to show a sampling of the Silm fiction that is not only is being written at the moment but has been written over the years (because it is my fandom home).

      • I don't have much standalone stuff now, it sort of grew -- I might have ...I do have a short 2 chapter fandom stocking fic I write for Esteliel a couple of years back with is definitely just Silmarillion. (And no OC's, lol)

        Yes, agree, 2 sites is really enough for me, too. Or rather, coping with the uploads and editing I do. The only thing I think I prefer on AO3 is the really large box to post in -- with my eyes now, it is just right, whereas e-scripts are much smaller. Not a problem with posting, really, as I just copy-paste, but with editing, it's definitely a boon.
    • The majority (not all) of the characters were born prior to or in the First Age. I am just not sure it fits, or if people would come after me saying 'I don't think this belongs on SWG'.

      It fits! We have an FAQ about this but, to make a long story short, if a story includes a Silmarillion character in a major role, then it fits, even if the story itself is set outside the 2nd and 3rd Ages. (Material from the 3rd Age NOT covered in detail in TH or LotR is also eligible.) The only exception would be those few characters who have a role in LotR/TH as well as the Silm, if stories are set exclusively in those verses. The example we give on the site is: "Galadriel uses her mirror to watch Frodo and Sam navigate their way to Mordor."

      We also don't generally come after people! :) We are extremely liberal in how we define Silmfic and are going to tilt our heads to see the Silmfic before we tell an author to take something down, especially if it connects to a Silmfic work posted on the site already. We've only had to address this a handful of times in almost ten years of the archive, and in most cases, it has been for people posting stories for fandoms other than Tolkien.

      If in doubt, you can send me/us a summary or a whole story and we'll give the necessary reassurances that it's okay for our site. :)
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