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"About as much fun as a bag of weasels"...when I first saw this Irish adage, it made me think of the life of a writer: sometimes perilous, sometimes painful, certainly interesting. My paper journal has always been called "The Bag of Weasels." This is the Bag of Weasels' online home.

The Kindle Worlds Thing

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As my semester draws to a close, I am trying to rev up the Heretic Loremaster again, so I've posted my initial thoughts on Kindle Worlds here. (For those of you who haven't heard, Kindle Worlds is "the first commercial publishing platform that will enable any writer to create fan fiction based on a range of original stories and characters and earn royalties for doing so." Here are the guidelines.)

Here are some other links:

Letters from Titan: Kindle Worlds: Not bigger on the inside

heartofoshun: Amazon now wants to pay writers for fanfiction

Scalzi: Amazon's Kindle Worlds: Instant Thoughts</a>

Heidi8: It's Kindle Worlds, we're just living in it?

Please do comment with other links to your own blog/journal or elsewhere! :) And, as always, I welcome discussion everywhere: on the HL, here, or wherever. It is easier for me to reply on the HL or Dreamwidth since I can access those at work. LJ replies have to wait till I get home, as I can only access LJ in the teacher resource room, and I like to make doing that a rarity.



This post was originally posted on Dreamwidth and, using my Felagundish Elf magic, crossposted to LiveJournal. You can comment here or there!

http://dawn-felagund.dreamwidth.org/316274.html
  • My initial thoughts echo yours with regards to the freedom I assume I have when writing fic, and also on the importance of the community aspect. Communication is a huge part of this for me. That's something I don't get with orig fic, which makes it a bit less fun, even though it offers other rewards.

    I'm pretty curious about the "guidelines" coming out in the future, though. Will they be loose enough the average gen or romance fic will get past easily, or will they be draconian? Will they be squeamish about slash?

    I still haven't read too much about this; will have to fix that.
    • I think the specific guidelines will vary by fandom, so I'm assuming some will be more lenient on things like sexual content and slash.

      It will be interesting to see how writers who participate in both KW and traditional fandom come to view the rewards of each. KW likely won't yield much income for the average participant, and the allure of "being published" wears off after a while. However, the community aspect is enduring, and I'm sure I'm not the only writer who goes back and occasionally revisits favorite comments! :)

      Thank you for the link! :)
  • Here's a link to my LJ:
    http://dreamflower02.livejournal.com/607002.html
  • Aja has an article on Daily Dot, and there is a discussion going on in the tumblrsphere as well.

  • I've written a bit of a rant here, but it's mostly just linking to/quoting to your Loremaster article + explaining why I don't really care/am annoyed by fannish panic. Not sure whether it's worth linking here.
    Basically, what you said?

  • The Guardian: Comment is Free has this article, which makes some good points: Fan Fiction is in a different universe to Kindle Worlds.


    • That was a nice touch of common sense. Thanks.
    • Yes, this definitely brought up a valid point and (imo) further fuel against the idea that KW will end up subsuming traditional fandom.
  • Here's a link to my thoughts on this http://engarian.livejournal.com/255048.html

    My concern isn't so much the fact that they are dealing within a fandom and with fan fiction as the contract and the rights that the authors are giving over with no future rights or remuneration when they sign it and have their story(ies) published. These are my major concerns.

    - Erulisse (one L)
    • I agree that the terms suck, when considering publishing contracts in general. However, they are apparently on par with what professional writers of tie-in novels are offered for their work. The tighter requirements make sense when considering that the stories being written are based on another writer's work to begin with, and that the canons for all (I think?) of the eligible fandoms are active. Of course, it does open up a can of worms as far as exploiting fan creations.

      I believe very firmly in educating the hell out of people about this, then letting them make their own choices. I won't be fully happy with Amazon until they do their part in making sure that writers understand fully what they're getting into. (Although the cynic in me says that most won't read the terms anyway!)
      • Of course, it does open up a can of worms as far as exploiting fan creations.

        That's where I have a problem. People can sign whatever contract they want, but if they don't realize that their creations can be used as a springboard by the publisher without further compensation, to me that's a very disturbing thing. In fact, I call that the MOST disturbing thing because the actual terms of 35%, etc are not bad. Most publishing contracts also have a limited time span set it. Most of my contracts specified anywhere from 4-5 years after which time I could republish my work in a different venue.

        Have a good Memorial Day weekend.

        - Erulisse (one L)
  • I think they should encourage original fic more so than fan fic and e-publish that. I cannot believe authors would go for that - meaning authors of the original works.
    • They... are kind of doing that, anyway? Amazon are running a self-publishing programme for original fiction with WAY better terms than those of Kindle Worlds...
      And authors of original works (or their heirs) have licensed tie-ins, spin-offs and other (re-)use of their characters/settings for decades. The only difference with Kindle Worlds is that (within the guidelines of the programmes) they don't know in advance just what they'll be getting.
    • Amazon already has a means to self-publish original fiction.

      Considering that the rights holders are the ones who are selling licenses allowing KW to happen, it's not a question of belief at this point.
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